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writes: My husband and I have been married for 14 years, with 2 kids. He is 40 I am 37. For a long time (possibly always) our love life has not been right. He is very highly sexed, and would want to make love every day, and several times a day if possible. I like sex, but have many other things in my life, not least our 2 kids, and am happy with maybe a couple of times a week. That's the first problem. The second (and there are a few, bear with me!) is that no matter how often I tell him that there are things I don't like, he still does them, such as telling him he can't try for 'clitoral stimulation' immediately, as, until I am turned on, it can actually be physically uncomfortable. It seems like, it suits him, so he does it regardless. The upshot of this, was that in the last 2 years I have slowly lost interest in making love to him - it felt like a chore, not a pleasure. Then, last May, he had a 3 week affair. I only found out in November and was (am) absolutely devastated. But I told him that I felt that our relationship was strong enough to get through it and we can work on things. The thing is, that since the affair, he has completely gone off me sexually. He says the girl he had the affair with was really sexual, wanted it all the time, was just like him in that department, and told him he was fantastic in bed. I now have a real problem. I have no doubt that for those 3 weeks he shagged like a porn star, and no doubt I do look like a poor substitute for that. And now he has been told he is 'fantastic' this has only served to emphasize to him that when I say certain things are uncomfortable, or i don't like them, he thinks it is just me being 'repressed'. Now we are not even sleeping in the same bed, and I don't want to make love to him because I don't feel I can say what I feel, and am suffering from 'performance anxiety'. I suggested we can see a sexual therapist or something, but he seems unwilling, saying he thinks I am just not that interested in sex, and we should concentrate on being friends first. What do you think? Should I just chuck in the towel and tell him to leave? Part of me loves him hugely, whilst the other part is screaming out what a cheating scumbag he is, and how dare he try and make me feel so bad about myself. Thanks!
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reader, anonymous, writes (17 January 2009): My husband has very little interest in sex while I have a high sex drive. In an ideal world, yeah sure I would have sex once a day if I could. But we have sex perhaps once a month - and when we do, it is generally over quickly. If you can imagine how this makes me feel - to have desired and craved for this so long and to experience sex that was not even satisfying (for me)I have tried everything possible - I have done the whole sex underwear stuff, experimental, talked about it, cried...believe me! Everything! Nothing worked! I have just come now to the understanding that some people have higher sex drives than others. My husband sadly doesnt have a great one. Other than that, he is a perfect wonderful man in every single aspect.However, it has made me at times grow to be very depressed to feeling very angry to feeling very resentful to him for not fulfilling my sexual needs. At times I have even felt emotions of hatred for this I am ashamed to say. When I was much younger I used to cry alot about it. Now I am older I am more accepting. But still those emotions do resurface from time to time.So my guess is perhaps your husband also feels some of these things - depression, resentment and even anger towards you which is perhaps one of the reasons for his cheating and one of the reasons for him to say those nasty things to you - because perhaps in an indirect way he wants you to hurt too (In conversations with my husband when I was much much younger, I used to say things to put down the sex he was giving me - not to be nasty as such, but to provoke a reaction, to show at least he cared or was bothered to understand the misery he put me through but not satisfying my sexual needs)I myself, have considered if I could find someone else who will appreciate my body and what I have to offer them and feel desired and aroused - just even for a moment. IF I am honest, the lack of sex has also decreased the attraction that I felt to my husband when I first met him which I think is perhaps normal in these situations. But of course, I would never ever ever ever ever cheat because quite simply, it goes against all my principles and beliefs. From the point of someone on the other end of the spectrum. It is extremely depressing and frustrating when your partner is not meeting you in the middle sexually, for now I pretty much satisfy myself whenever I need to, which is what I have had to make do with for a good many years. No doubt perhaps the point will come where I feel I cant take it anymore and leave. Or perhaps all of his good points will continue to far outweigh this one and only problem in our relationship.Anyway good luck, I do not in anyway condone cheating - I believe it is the worst thing any human can do to another. But I just wanted to pose a different angle for you about where your husband may been coming from and how he may have felt.
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reader, sweetpea37 +, writes (16 January 2009):
sweetpea37 is verified as being by the original poster of the questionThanks everyone, really appreciate the advice. I know you are right when you say I can't just put up with things as they are, and that he is being a self-absorbed arse! I'll let you know how things go. xxx
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reader, anonymous, writes (15 January 2009): On one hand, he sounds selfish and inflexible. On the other, it also sounds like his needs weren't being met either. The two of you need some serious marriage counseling to salvage this mess. Communication and compromise seem to be lacking. In the end, however, the two of you may come to the conclusion that you are simply happier with other people.
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reader, Tisha-1 +, writes (15 January 2009):
This is a very difficult question to answer. Clearly, you want to make the marriage work, if you are willing to stick around and want to get counseling.
My take on him from what you write is that he think the world revolves around him, and he revolves around his penis. So sex is very important to him, obviously, and his solution to being 'frustrated' with you was to go have an affair, rather than pay attention to what you were telling him about your sexual response. OUt of curiousity, who moved out of the master bedroom? I somehow get the sense that it was you?
If he had paid attention and adjusted his 'technique' to your guidance, you wouldn't be off sex with him, is that right?
From his perspective, if I can even try to think like him, you are witholding that thing that is really important to him, if not THE most important. You don't know how to let go [again, I'm just guessing what he might be thinking] and therefore it's no longer worth having sex with you.
Where is the "making love" in all this? Well, never mind that now.
I don't think you need sex therapist, per se, but you need a marriage counselor. I expect this dynamic is playing out in more than just the bedroom. He's resentful that you're not giving him what he needs and you're resentful that he just takes what he wants and ignores your own needs.
I get the sense that he's not particularly aware of how his treatment of you affects you, and you in turn may not fully understand what's going through his head.
The point that I'm getting to here is that you need outside, professional help from a qualified and trained marriage counselor, not a sex therapist. The sex is just the symptom, there's another cause there. You both need to go figure it out, together, if there's a chance for this marriage to survive.
Now I've managed to come across as analytical and problem-solving here (I hope) but if it were me in your shoes, I'd be so angry I couldn't think straight!!! And I would have kicked him out of the house. At least for a while. I'd be doubting myself too, but that's just self-destructive and will not help you through this.
If he won't go to a marriage counselor, you go on by yourself anyway. It certainly couldn't hurt and what do you have to lose at this point?
He might need a shock to let him know you're serious about fixing this, and not just letting time take care of things. Talk to the counselor about that too.
I wish you good luck as you go through this painful process.
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reader, SoftlyCaress +, writes (15 January 2009):
I would tell him so long you are better then how he is doing . If he is so happy with the way this other woman is sexing him up then let her have him. Its not worth you feeling like a sex slave . Sex should be awesome but seems he is a nympho and needs help from a dr. But for you hold your head up let him go and make a new life for you and your 2 kids . you will probably find out that you was still with him out of habit anyways and was long over him before now and never realized it .....
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reader, anonymous, writes (15 January 2009): In summary you have been generous in your emotions in trying to forgive. He, on the other hand, has tasted the 'greener grass' and thinks now he's a gift from heaven and has the audacity to treat you like dirt when he should be making amends. What he is clueless about is that after a while the 3 weeks of constant sex would get boring, she might find someone else and even if he lived with this amazing sexually obsessed woman it could never be sustained because eventually you have to see someone doing the washing, shaving their legs or cleaning out a blocked sink. Personally I would be too hurt to continue but thats just me. If you accept this insulting rudeness and lack of concern you are not moving on but going backwards and will not only never forgive him but you will never forgive yourself for letting him do it to you. In your situation I would call his bluff and suggest very very calmly that he moves out and that you feel inadequate and he would be obviously be happier with someone who just wants sex night and day. Be proactive and not bitter and you will catch him off guard. Ensure you have all the practicalities in place (finances, control over the house (keys) etc and Give him the space and time to make a decision and realise what he has lost. By living a numb life like you are he is just enjoying the creature comforts of home while your self esteem goes down the pan. You and your home life is a reality - what he had is a fantasy. You need to show him that by being tough.
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reader, Serenity1 +, writes (15 January 2009):
leave him...if it's meant, he'll come crawling on his knees back to you...
right now he's feeling his self, his ego is boosted up real high...
if you want to have any self respect for your self, or if you want anyone else (especially him) to respect you...you have to leave him...
this is coming from someone who has experienced both sides of the fence...and trust me he WILL NOT leave that other girl alone (if not her he will find some one else) because as of now in his mind he has got away with his unfaithfulness...
LEAVE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!
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reader, baddogbj +, writes (15 January 2009):
If you love him hugely but you are just not that in to sex where would the harm be in coming to an arrangement in which can have sex with someone else so long as he keeps clear of disease, is super discreet and there is no lying to you? If you take away the lies and deceit and make sure that he is really careful with his health and yours then really its little different from him playing a couple of sets of tennis with someone and getting a bit sweaty.
It is not easy but true love lies in not making knee-jerk tabloid editor reactions "Dump the Cheating Love Rat!". If you do this for him he will love you more than he ever has and I can guarantee that over time the forbidden pleasures will fade especially when they are no longer forbidden and he'll be back by your side in your bed with real tenderness for you. You'll have some heartache for sure but you'll get to grow old with the man that you love and play with your grandchildren together. That beats being 40 with 2 kids and looking for a new start in life.
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reader, Too Sensitive +, writes (15 January 2009):
I don't know how you did it, but I give you much credit for sticking with him and trying to work it out, after finding out about the affair. That is something I don't think I could do personally, but who's to say for sure if I had 14 years invested in a marriage as you do (which I don't).
You gave him a 2nd chance, and he's blowing it. He is a selfish jerk who does not deserve the honor of being with you. If he's not having sex with you, especially given his history, my thoughts are that he is getting it somewhere else.
It is very common for spouses to have different sex drives, so don't ever beat yourself up for that, please. At this point, I don't blame you one bit for being turned off to him. Just look at how he's behaved, not only by having an affair, but by being so selfish when you were in the bedroom.
More than likely, over the years, prior to the affair, he has been subtly manipulating you in ways you may not even be aware of. Men like him do this to try to keep us down. I know - I've been through it. I don't know why or understand why people act in this way, except I've read that it makes them feel better about themselves, and it is a means of control for them. When this is happening, they have deep-rooted psychological issues that have never been resolved.
He is not showing any signs of wanting to work this out, in my opinion. By his refusing therapy, he is unwilling to admit that he is any part of the problem. And he is giving the message that he is not willing to try to work it out, when it comes down to it. Again, selfish behavior on his part. On the contrary, your suggesting the therapy shows that you ARE interested in sex with him, despite what he says.
Please don't listen to anything of this sort that he has to say. Please do what you need to do to get out of the marriage and away from him, for your own sake as well as for the sake of your children. If you truly see reform in his behavior at some later point, you can always try to reconcile with him. But for now, I think you need to take drastic measures before your self-esteem is completely gone. Don't let him do that to you - you are worth so much more.
He had no right to share what he did with you regarding what the "other" woman has said to him and what the "other" woman was like to him. What is he trying to do to you by sharing this? He is trying to make you feel bad about yourself, b/c on some gross level, that makes him feel better about himself. In effect he is bringing you down to his level, and you are so much better than him. Believe that. Believe in yourself.
Of course on some level you still love him. You are married to him, you have a long history with him, you have children with him. That is only natural.
But I think b/c you are turned off by him sexually (understandably so), you are starting to make the break from him. Let your anger over what he did drive you to do what you need to do to get out. Let it fuel you inside. If you need to get on your feet financially-speaking before you can make the break (I don't know if this is the case or not), then it will probably serve you better if you keep the anger under the surface and just remain as civil as possible toward him on the outside, so that he doesn't leave prematurely. Work toward again feeling better about yourself, though that is a long hard journey to regain self-esteem after what you've been through. And you will never fully be able to arrive there so long as you two are living under the same roof.
Look at what he's done to you. You owe him nothing, but he owes you everything. Though you're not likely to get anything out of him, it seems, except hurt and pain and disrespect, to name a few.
Good luck to you, and let us know how things are going.
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reader, TELLULAH +, writes (15 January 2009):
Hi,
First I would like to say that your husband is a complete idiot if he believes that the relationship with this other woman wouldnt have changed after a while. Of course the sex was highly charged, it was an affair and therefor dangerous.
I think he is on a bit of a power trip myself. He has an affair the girl tells him he's great in bed, so your the one thats not normal...Babe give me a break, and yourself.
Its easier to blame you, than take the blame himself, for his discusting behaviour.
I cant say if you should forgive him, it would be easy to say I wouldnt, but I'm not in your shoes.
What I will say, is that he is showing no remorse what-so-ever. And I wouldnt like to say it wouldnt happen again, because I think that it might.
If you were one of my mates, I would have kicked him into next week, its a discrace how he has made you feel.
What ever you decide to do, remember he is not the only man on the planet, even though he seems to think he is.
Take care XXX
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reader, anonymous, writes (15 January 2009): Scumbag is to good for him, get rid of him now, what right has he got to treat and talk to you like that and to make you feel bad about yourself. It wont be easy on your own, but it will be a hell of a lot easier then putting up with him. Please don't think about it just do it, I did and its was the best thing I ever did. Good luck to you and your children x
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reader, Fairy_Lu +, writes (15 January 2009):
I will be honest you dont seem all that happy with him and if he does things you dont like after being told countless time then it seems that he sounds pretty selfish to me and not the kind you should be stuck with because once they cheat and get away with it chances are it wont be a one off.
If it was me i would leave him i undersatnd you would be worried about your kids but they would want you to be happy.
Pack your bags huni you deserve someone who will listen and respect you. Sex is not the most important part of a relationship despite what some people may think
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reader, Dani28 +, writes (15 January 2009):
I think its a good thing in most cases to give a second chance, we all make mistakes, but, in this instance ur husband is being terrible, it is wrong to make u feel like that. If he was making an effort at ur marriage, regretted what he did i would say stick with it, but i would have to say in this case ur husband doesnt deserve u, i think u should leave him. I know its easier said but u are going to have no self belief soon, that could lead to depression, look after urself get out now xx
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reader, kirstyconfused +, writes (15 January 2009):
Oh gosh this is shockig. You have the perfect reason to leave this relationship. Your probabley thinking about your children but they will be fine. Your always going to be unhappy with this person dont kid yourself by thinking you can get over it what hes done is unforgivable. Your husband telling you what she said is just rubbing salt in the wounds. You not wanting sex all the time may be down to stress and thinking about the affair all the time. You need to shock him like he did to you. No1 relises what that have until its gone. Get it over and dont with. Be happy again its never to late.
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