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writes:Hi im ak, im 13 years old and last year i started masturbating...Its something i started to do 1 day its a long story...I LOVE God with all my heart and Masturbation is normal but its also a sin when not married..I keep repeating this sin, i ask God for forgivness then i turn around and do it again...I feel like im in danger of hell..But i love my God..I know he will give me the strengh to stop..But how BAD is the sin of masturbation? Also please pray for me.. Reply to this Question
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reader, anonymous, writes (20 October 2007): Let me clarify my words, since Fade though I said she baited me - hence the quotations around the word "baited" in my previous comment:
I am a sucker for religious and porno related threads. ESPECIALLY when someone persists that their views are the right ones. Yeah no judgment there eh?
I admit that my comments are roughly 80% emotionally driven, unlike others who are a lot more calm in their approach. Kudos to them.
As far as hatred goes, the thing that most closely resembles hatred is my dislike for religious absoluteness. In short, I believe that absolute faith equals to absolute ignorance. Enough said.
Anyway, without furthering more battles here and flooding DearCupid with religious rant and puke, I take my leave with these words: "If I had to choose, I would rather be arrogant, than ignorant. At least with arrogance, I can still correct my ways." ^_-
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reader, anonymous, writes (20 October 2007): From - ms anon -
Fade878, i am a very religious person too, you've got me all wrong. why do you have to put up a guard all the time. at least Martini apologised.
Oh and by the way, the female anonomous who wrote on the 18th was me. im only 15. i'm not trying to be precotious.
(im so bad at spelling) i just thought you two had to back off each other and help this girl.
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 October 2007): -from Ms. anon (apparently)-
Ta martini. if only Fade878 was as humble as the bible preaches!
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 October 2007): @Ms. Anon who said "Martini, STFU!"
You're right, and I apologize for being 'baited' in and hijacking this thread, and so I end my rant with this:
MASTURBATION POEM by unknown
You don't need to use a condom
You don't need a dental dam
You don't need to say "I Love You" or "Here's Fifty
Dollars, Ma'am."
Don't need to spring for dinner,
Or wear all that sexy stuff
All you need's a set of fingers and a wanker or a muff
'Cause everybody's doin' it, all across the land
Masturbators Of America, Give Yourselves A Hand!
It's natural, and organic
It's easy and it's fun
If you don't know how to do it ask your parents how it's done
You don't need a special license
You don't need a special skill
Just unzip and slip your grip between your hips and get a thrill
'Cause everybody's doin' it, and boy does it feel grand,
Masturbators of America, Give Yourselves a Hand!
(Musical bridge, with lots of suggestive dance moves on the ROCKER'S part. For instance, he does that one bit where you jump backwards on one leg while playing air guitar, except that instead of playing air guitar he's stroking air wanker.)
You can do it in the bathroom
You can do it in your bed
You can do it at a concert while you watch the Grateful Dead
You can rub it with some lotion
You can stroke it with a cloth
Arnold Shwartzenegger pounds it, Michael Jackson jacks it off
Your attitude will soften, your horizons will expand.
Masturbators of America, Give Yourself a Hand!
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 October 2007): excuse me Fade878 and martini, this space is for people who want to help this girl and her problem, not to have feuds between yourselves. i thinks you should drop it and say you peice, not to make her feel sinful, but to help her come to terms with it or incourage her to make up her own mind. you two have different looks on life, and that's fine, just stop being so selfriteous and try to help if you can!!!!!!!
Babe dont listen to them, you do what you think is right.
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reader, eddie  +, writes (19 October 2007):
 The bible is great, so are the books and teachings of other religions. I think they need to be seen as guides on how to live well and treat others. People argue religious points from all angles. Nobody really knows. People believe, imagine or hope and that might give them direction, but no one really knows. I can't believe this point is something that is a make or break situation.
Is it realistic to imagine touching yourself in a way that brings pleasure is a sin? Many people do not have partners to touch. Orgasms are natural and meant to be enjoyed. To believe that someone should go through life without masturbating to some extent, because it's wrong, is, in my opinion, over thinking things.
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 October 2007): And BTW, "hope for humanity" - I did take that into consideration, rather than look at hell as the OTHER true ultimatum.
++I don't think you fully read and pondered the scriptures nor did you accept the invitation that is mentioned to pray unto to God to ask receive a witness if what you read is true-that by the spirit things will be made known.++
I don't think you fully read or pondered on any other philosophy than that of your own 'faith'. I will tell you that in Zen Buddhist scripture, Buddha told his students that everyone is capable of achieving true enlightenment, and everyone is capable of becoming Buddha. There is nothing more equal to that as human beings that can achieve becoming a Buddha, than the hierarchy of God and his angels, and the creatures below them, that has to earn the right and responsibility to become closer to god by having faith in Jesus.
ANYWAY... I really tire of this. Reading the massive posts between you and IN was nice and all...
BTW, Ms. 13 year old anon, if you want to further experiment masturbation, I suggest the washer machine during a cycle. I believe someone in another thread suggested it.
WOOHOO! Look at my ratings go down! ^_-
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 October 2007): Look you have your interpretations of the Bible. You have people who taught you about the Bible as they saw it. I can tell you that I know a lot of Christians - a lot oddly, that do not follow your beliefs in what Christianity is like. SO, just because you say it is what it is, it doesn't mean it is, what you say it is.
And this part right here: "A lot of things in this life have to be earned." YES, as humans to other humans, gaining respect, admiration, adoration, and love and friendship is earned. Of course, that's what I've been saying all these years to everyone who would listen. HOWEVER, you're talking about God here. You're talking about a being that can create anything and do anything. In fact, if God wants to, he can create everyone equal and greater than him/her/itself. That's 'fact'. FACT based on religious scripture that God is almighty and infinite and God is the universe, the power the drives everything.
You're saying that in essence, humanity has to earn 'god-hood' or in other terms, being 'closer' to god, but that defeats the whole idea of god being an almighty powerful loving being. Being an objective almighty unbiased powerful god fits the image of your religious god a lot more than an all-loving all-compassionate god of greatness and glory.
It just doesn't make sense.
Take this into perspective: GOD created everything. God created 'candy' and labelled each candy with a 'sin', then showered the world with this 'candy'. He told us that by accepting this 'candy', you will be committing a sin. Since god is pressed on NEVER revealing the mysterious plan to anyone ever, humanity will wander around and occasionally be tempted to pick up that 'candy' and eat it. However, here lies the irony of it: almost everyone eats that candy, and when we do, we sin. However, we sin because God doesn't actually want us to pick up that 'candy' as god labelled each 'candy' as a 'sin'.
Now imagine this: I am a dad. I have eight sons. They're all roughly in their early to mid teens, locked up inside my castle. From their birth to my death, I leave their upbringing to a book I wrote and hope that the nanny through my explicit instructions will care and bring them up. In the process, I leave porn, cheap prostitutes, and fast cars and their keys lying around. I mentally label each one in my thoughts as 'bad', and hope that my sons don't sway from what I 'teach' in my book and grow up to be respectable gentleman. However, if they start looking at the porn, have sex with the prostitute, and take out their frustration and anger by driving around really fast endangering everyone, I will be very upset.
Difference between God and I? I am a fallable human, with ego, pride and emotions beset onto my limited lifespan. IF I was such a twisted disgusting father, I would be branded as irresponsible and held accountable for my inability to raise my kids well. God on the other hand is a being of infinite greatness. Supposedly, he has no ego, no pride, no emotions limited to a lifetime. He doesn't need to teach his kids accountability. All he has to do is with a snap of his mighty fingers, in an instant, create all of humanity as gods with the same 'love' he has for everyone. Then humanity will never need to have war, no rape, murder, crime, and no one will ever doubt the bible ever again, including me.
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 October 2007): Like I said, God could have EASILY created all of humanity as his equals with his wisdom and knowledge and compassion and love. There is only one type of individual, being almighty and powerful that can do it, and that would have been god. Yet God created a humanity that is A LOT LESS than god itself, and then say that god has a plan for us all, and then commit atrocities throughout the last few thousand years and more, and then give ultimatums to all of humanity that AS GOD, I GIVE YOU ALL FREE WILL TO CHOOSE YOUR PATHS, *BUT* YOU ARE WRONG IF YOU SWAY FROM MY DESIRES (desires = demand) FOR HUMANITY. FOR THAT, YOU WILL GO TO HELL. Masturbate and BURN FOREVER IN ETERNAL FIRE.
NICE!
YES, you were taught that god is like our parents that give love and show us care and guidance, and God like our parents do not wish their children to go down a path of hate and anger and crime and stuff, but ALL THIS wouldn't happen, if God MADE US *'PERFECT'* like God itself. In fact, like I said before, if I were a parent with the powers of the universe at my beck and call, I would create humanity greater than myself, and if I cannot, then I will create humanity equal to my wisdom and my knowledge and love.
It's THAT SIMPLE. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOO, it says to do A, B, C, and D, and tempt us by creating all these things like sex, attraction, lust, jealousy, and then, check this out, AND THEN BLAME IT ON THE FALLACY OF HUMANITY AND THE DEVIL - THE FALLACY THAT GOD created. THAT GOD created.
MAY I REPEAT THAT: THAT GOD CREATED. GOD CREATED US. GOD CREATED ALL OF THIS. GOD CREATED HELL, LUST, DEATH, SUFFERING, JEALOUSY, SIN, MASTURBATION, and the list goes on and on and on and on, but NOOOO, no no no. GOD'S Follower's say there is a plan, a mysterious one that GOD expects ALL OF HUMANITY to follow. TO FOLLOW from a book that was written TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO, at a time when superstition was PROMINANT.
My words full of hate? HARDLY. It's mainly full of ridicule.
However, to cut this short and to the point: A GOOD LEADER LEADS BY EXAMPLE. S/he doesn't sit on his throne all the day, and say Jack will burn in hell because he masturbated. Jane will burn in hell because she gave Jack a blowjob earlier. But, Phillip will go to heaven, because he believed in me and Jesus, my adoring son. Yeah, that's right. (As god) I'm going to think up ways to tempt humanity more, to appease my other son, Lucifer. Yeah. Hmm, what can I do? Aaahhhh... Yes, yes, I'm going to create, an ASEXUAL human - oh lets see how humanity will take this one. Nice!
Can't take my words seriously, once ridicule enters the formula right? It's true, but I can't take a religion/faith seriously, when it allows ridicule on a massive scale, regardless of whether its followers are educated or intellectuals or not. It's simple fact.
MASTURBATION: go for it. God created libido, and sex, and intercourse. If God didn't want us to give each other blow jobs, then he would have made our penises super friggin huge and our mouths super friggin small with spikey teeth and a tongue that burns skin.
Heck, I still think that God and religion are two different things. God is god, and religion is some book that men created in hopes to control its people.
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reader, anonymous, writes (18 October 2007): i am also a young christian, going throught the same thing as you. (and dont the kids at school just rip us apart for loving God?!?!) anyway, i just figure that if you feel it is right and it makes you feel good, God cannot punish you. he must understand what we are going through (PUBERTY) if He is all knowing. He loves us more than anyone, and even if it is wrong he will not abandon you. if He wants you to stop he will make it clear.
God love you babe, and God bless - XxxX
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reader, anonymous, writes (18 October 2007): Seriously, if God wanted to put a restriction on what 'he' thinks is good or bad, in terms of sex, then 'he' should have made an automatic 'on/off' switch for the libido of men and women. Hence, the libido doesn't turn on until marriage happens. That would save the world some Bible references in terms of religious law.
"How bad of a sin is masturbation?" Hell, if all these 'rules' that the so-called "the most loving-god" dictates is the right path versus the temptations god again, created upon this world, I would rather burn for all of eternity in hell and share the comfort of the devil than follow such a contradicting anti-love/conflicting/pro-love conspiracy that god expresses.
--No you can't masturbate, but as god, I will give you a penis and I will give you a vagina. No you can't have sex before marriage, but I'll let you feel sexual lust before marriage. No you can't kill anyone, but I am allowed to mass murder entire populations of people just because. No homosexuality is wrong because I say so, even though I created all of humanity, so having heterosexual religious people pit against homosexuals of humanity still makes me a all-loving endorsing god because I say I love you all, and that's all that matters. I give you all free will to choose, but ultimately, you either go to heaven and be close to me and bask in my glory or you go to hell to the son that I love adoringly, but he's down there anyway, cuz I say so. I love you all, but I want to make an example of all those who go against me.--
Personally, god sounds a lot like a nerdy unloved pimply faced geek who just loves creating havoc amongst humanity. If Christianity's version of god is the correct one, then from day 1 of our birth, that faith should have been absolute in our hearts! No ultimatum, no hell, no all this bullshiat about what is right and wrong.
Masturbation a sin? The religious perception of GOD IS A SIN to humanity! God should stand on trial for all the terrorism that 'he' caused, all the suffering he made, and all this confusion he created for all his followers!
Masturbation a sin? A SIN? HOLY CRAP!
There is no progression in the Bible. The Bible says and does not say a lot of things, yet you still follow that book written by freaky superstitious men from two thousand years ago, at a time of war and anarchy. How convenient. Where was Jesus when the Qin was wiping out the other clans? Where was Jesus when the Nazi's mass murdered entire regions of people?
Yeah good to base your ideals that Masturbation can be a sin, but no one sees anything wrong with some ideology that has so many negatives. A being of almight glorious loving power, that empowers itself to condemn us all, and then cast us to eternal flame and fiery.
A car sped towards me when I was young. My mom pulled me away. Not god. In fact, the car's side mirror knicked my mom's arm as it drove by. I didn't see god pull me away and get hurt in the process.
Remember, he is almight, infinite, and all loving. However, in comparison to my mom, the religious perception of god is an infinite times less loving and less almighty.
ANYWAY, sorry for hijacking your thread, but religious nuts really get to me.
Is masturbation a sin? Man, silly all the way.
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reader, Asexy +, writes (17 October 2007):
 Fade878,I was going based on the article I quoted from a reputable Christian site (URL below). It said there was nothing that quoted masturbation as such. The sin was lusting after a woman who was not your wife.
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reader, Asexy +, writes (16 October 2007):
Masturbation as such isn't actually mentioned in the bible at all.
There's a good article about it: http://www.new-life.net/mastrbte.htm (scroll down past the warnings to non-Christians, to the section titled: "FOUR IMPORTANT TRUTHS FROM THE BIBLE")
It says that although masturbation isn't a sin, if you masturbate while thinking about a woman who isn't your spouse, that's a problem (Matthew 5:28). I'm not sure how to get around that one.
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reader, rammsteinfan +, writes (16 October 2007):
 According to the Bible, masturbation is a sin. I think that the reason why is that it causes sensations only you give yourself. Then when you finally get married, your husband won't be able to give you the same pleasure that you achieved for yourself.
Don't worry, the Lord will forgive you....He knows that we stumble from time to time. Remember He also knows about temptation, He, too was tempted by the devil. He died on the cross for all of us....just keep praying to Him, and don't give up. In your prayer, you could say "I claim the blood of Jesus over my life and my thoughts" every time that you wake up in the morning and before you go to bed at night....or whenever you want.
I hope that this will help you!! You are in my prayers!!
God Bless!!
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reader, anonymous, writes (16 October 2007): "heaven helps the man that helps himself." doesn't this apply to the woman and her fun bag as well?
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reader, anonymous, writes (16 October 2007): There's no need for anyone to pray for you, and I for one don't see how this can possibly be regarded as a sin. I can't imagine that there's a single 'Man (or woman) of God' ie. priests or other clergy that haven't done this at one time or another.
It's natural. Enjoy it. If you weren't meant to do it God wouldn't have given you a middle finger.
Phil
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