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writes: My wife and I have 3 boys and have been married for 8 years. This year just after our anniversary my wife began an affair. She had become increasingly distant, and I finally asked her what was going on after 6 weeks without intimacy. She flatly told me she was tired of my behavior, that we were too different, and she wasn't sure she wanted to be married. She denied there being anyone else. I'll make a long story short. I found out about the affair, and it turned out to be a 22 year old married guy with a wife and kid of his own. She also has an ongoing close friendship with a 43 year old guy. Anyway, I've never cheated but left her feeling unfulfilled apparently. She never told me this instead confiding in her older friend who she swears is just a friend. Even if so I feel like he stole my wifes innermost trust from me and they still text 100 times a day. The affair is over from the day I found out supposedly. Here's my question. I still love my wife very very much, but she's not here for me. In counseling the other day she said she doesn't want to work on the marriage. She then went to the older man friend and didnt come home until 2:30 am leaving me w the kids. When she got home she swore up and down the relationship w him is platonic and he's even supportive of her working it out with me. I dont know why she'd care at this point what I thought. Anyway, whenever I try to talk to her she shuts down, goes to bed, gets frustrated or mad, or all of the above. Ive become a huge doormat. I've always provided for my kids, been there through thick and thin, and now I'm suddenly a completely selfish jerk according to her for not taking all this lying down. She's completely self absorbed without an ounce of compassion for me, instead focusing on her business and her vanity. She looks great, and takes pleasure showing me photos of her she took during the affair, for him. I put away laundry the other day and seeing all the naughty undies she obviously didn't wear for me sent me over the edge. This was before the session where she disclosed wanting to stop trying. That night we were talking which means I was talking and she was avoiding. She took a Valium of her moms during a break in the conv and got all sleepy. She was laying with her legs over me on the couch, and I was absolutely starving for her. It had been almost 2 months for me since any intimate contact. I started kissing her, she kissed back and I thought it was on. She had her eyes closed and was very lethargic but I was on fire with desire. Without all the details I undressed her and did the deed. She never said no, never protested, but when it was done in about 5 seconds, she just lay there. I realized to my horror she was in some kind of drug sleep. I put her clothes on and asked if she wanted to come into bed. She walked over with me half holding her up and she crashed immediately once in bed. It was a sleepless night for me wondering what I'd done. The next morning she kissed me off to work, but later that day unleashed hell on me saying she remembered everything. It was horrible and has been since. This was the dealbreaker for the marriage she says. I've tried and tried to convince her I wasnt date raping her, and that while I know it was poor judgement and taking advantage I was desperate and only wanted to be close. This is the truth, I've played it over and over in my head, and it didn't even occur to me I was forcing her at the time. She won't hear it. So basically I'm a pig and everything she's done is justified. I would never hurt her intentionally like that. She's a completely different woman from 2 months ago. She loved me then, now I'm just a pathetic angry selfish sad man sleeping on the couch. I want my wife back and nothing I can do or say seems to effect her at all. It's as though everything and anything takes precidence over me. It's cordial between us, she wants to go to Tx to dissolve the marriage gracefully, but I can't accept this. I never got to even try! I would do anything to give her what she needs and move forward, but I'm helpless. I know the thing to do is move out but my boys ... I can't leave them. I'm terrified and devatated at her indifference to me. How could this happen? How can a spouse just tap out like that?? How? I know this us scattered but please I need help dealing and accepting this. All my instincts scream to hang tight and suffer through this "phase" but its clearly done. How the Hell do I get through this?? Where did my beautiful kind loving wife go?
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reader, anonymous, writes (22 December 2010): I understand what you are going through. You feel paralyzed, like the world turned upside down. I've been there. Trust me. You must start going through the motions of starting over. Even if you feel like crap and you don't want to do it. Like others have said: join the gym, eat healthy, volunteer for a cause you like. Here's the truth. You're acting like a wimp and it's normal for a man in love. But man up. Take control of your finances, the house your kids. She's going through something, you don't know what but DON'T LET HER DRAG YOU DOWN. You will feel better if you get it together, and start taking action. Show your kids what's up and what a good man does. Yes, you hurt. We all do. My fiance left me for another woman and my heart broke into a thousand pieces. I was numb for 3 months. But now I'm stronger and will never go through that again. Be strong. Now...go tell her you want her out of the house in 10 days. Help her but do it. Be nice but firm. After she sees your strength she may want you back. But you do not take her back. Please report back to us and good luck.
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reader, eyeswideopen +, writes (21 December 2010):
You need to talk to a lawyer ASAP. Find out what you can do to get her out of the house and you get primary custody of the kids. She is the one who violated your marriage, she goes, not you. This marriage is over, you are now just beating a dead horse. It is painful stuff but you will pull through it because you have no other choice. Your kids need you.
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reader, anonymous, writes (21 December 2010): Why are you sleeping on the couch. Why are you on your way out of the house?Why are you so apologetic. Why do you want to be her doormat? Are you waiting for her to come back from her lover? Can you not see how this makes you look. Perhaps if you adopted a different attitude then maybe you can call the shots. After all right now you are groveling, you are desperate and you will take any s**t she throws your way. Enough! Please, you need to still have self respect!!!!!If you keep seeming weak this woman will and is walking all over you. Do you continue waiting to be her doormat.I like what the Anon male said: hit the gym, get a haircut: basically take your life back!!! Do not wait for her scraps.LoveGirl
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reader, steph007 +, writes (21 December 2010):
Please, do not accuse yourself. You are the only perfect person in this story. You did not "fail" anything. You are on the coach now, I now exactly what is it like, but later when the home will be empty without you things may go to the opposite direction. Now Christmas comes, please, be happy with your family without any sentimental attitude. Do not listen to the negative sentences, but keep smiling and being "at home" - as a real father.
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reader, anonymous, writes (21 December 2010): I know how you feel, you just want to be a family and you have lost control of your feelings and are clinging on.
I'm going through the same and you have to let her go, she will come back but it's going to take time and when she finally wants you back you will not want her!
Do not leave the house as she is leaving you!! Get down the gym, get new clothes, a new hair cut, and move on for now.
Good luck
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reader, Hindsight2020 +, writes (21 December 2010):
Hindsight2020 is verified as being by the original poster of the questionI appreciate the responses. The older guy has been supportive. I have tried to be pragmatic, and failed horribly. I do love my wife and could easily get past this if she wanted to. Therein lies the issue. She doesn't want me anymore. I will continue sleeping on the couch until I can arrange somewhere to go meanwhile doing my damndest to stay calm, but the smallest things send me into cascades of sorrow. This is painful stuff. I had never imagined it could be like this. I failed to nurture our marriage, and then failed to handle the infidelity. All I can do now is focus on staying sane for myself and my kids.
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reader, steph007 +, writes (20 December 2010):
This is a typical midlife & marriage crisis, that is almost banal in the modern world. Her young lover, you mentioned being a 22 yo man, is just does not count. He was your wife's choice number for giving herself the feeling of being young and attractive. The older guy, I think, is indeed just a Platonic, and supportive, and "understanding" nice guy. You should not have excluded him from the story - he could have even helped you a lot. In the relationship HE felt himself being younger enough to be a shoulder on which your wife could be in tears. In this scenario you were the only person who dealt with the reality and real agenda for a long period, but at the end you also lost your rationality. You put too much jealousy and emotion into the conflict. Please; your wife got mad a bit by her own age, then found some fun outside of the house. But now she is at home, and wants to cope the problem. Help her with less affection and more pragmatism. And the home and family will help you to cure the problem. Anyhow, that you have never cheated on her is not an issue in this drama. Somehow she became eager of a more colorful man in her life. But we know that this is only a mirage. Even you may make contact to this older guy and ask for your help if you cannot treat this drug issue of your wife. Good luck.
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reader, anonymous, writes (20 December 2010): I will echo what almost all the Aunt have advised: get rid of the lieing, cheating, skank.
Grow some 8alls and kick her to the curb. Honestly what more can u do. She has been having sex with the 22 year old. Her relationship wit the 43 year old is questionable. What more proof do u want. Mr. You have resorted to groveling. Stop it. Plse have some pride. Why on earth will u want her back? She doesn't want a home, marriage and family life. She wants her freedom. So give it to her and just walk away. You deserve better and you will find better.
LoveGirl
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reader, eddie85 +, writes (20 December 2010):
I definitely agree with the other posters. It sounds almost like your wife is going through a mid life crisis of sorts. From taking her mom's valium and hooking up with young guys. It sort of sounds like one of you needs to pull the trigger on the relationship but both of you are lacking the courage to say enough is enough. I feel badly for you and wish you the best.
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reader, anonymous, writes (20 December 2010): She has a drug problem. LEAVE NOW!
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reader, olderthandirt +, writes (19 December 2010):
Run buddy, it only gets worse,I've been there for over ten years...save yourself now.
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 December 2010): You deserve better. You have no reason to stick around for a tainted relationship. Your kids will understand in time once they know what there mum did to you.
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reader, Liebes Kummer +, writes (19 December 2010):
I'm sorry i'm going to have to echo what most of the others have said; it is over bewteen you and your wife (more like a punisher). I know somewhere in your heart you are longing for a word of hope, a word of encouragement for you to hang on but, that would be so wrong.
Please, be strong and do the decent thing; leave her.
I know you are thinking of the kids and how you will miss them but, hey, you need to stay alive for them. If you carry on living with that woman, you might not survive.
Do not spend the best part of your life trying to make a bad relationship work.
You sound like a loving and caring guy; you will definitely find someone nice that deserves you.
Live well my friend.
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reader, Red591 +, writes (19 December 2010):
Your wife is a worthless selfish pig and was probably happy to find a way to make u a bad guy. Get your self respect back and kick her to the curb. She doesn't want to fix anything because it's her that is broken. LEAVE!!!!!
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 December 2010): Dude this pissed me off. This relationship is now for sure toxic and the woman seems very very immature. Yeah Im 26 and saying this should be handled a lot better by her. Clearly she has some big communication issues and you sound like the nice guy who gets all walked over. Im not gonna sit here and compare any situation to yours man. All I can say is that this woman isnt healthy for you and for your children. Her emotions are all out of whack and that to me reperesents a roller coaster ride unless you wanna break things off. Im very glad to hear youve tried counseling. This is big and it seems like she's done tho for whatever reason. You didnt rape her and believe me if u were outta place me and my 115 dumbbells would hunt you down lol. At best, I call that a strange way to have intercourse but I see no violation of a womans body. Im seeing a divorce here but im not gonna recommend as Im no counselor. From seeing 10 marriages with my parents, Id say this one is def different and irreparable. Good luck pal! PM me any time if u need support or an ear!
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 December 2010): Great advice here from the other posters.
Basically, grow some balls, get a good lawyer, and kick her to the curb.
I know that sounds harsh, but you can no longer trust this woman regardless of your value system which appears to be strong. She has arguably had a few other penises inside her, so yours is no longer needed.
I'm sure you had some hand in all this but now you have been reduced to a pathetic groveling doormat and what you did, while understandable, was the stupidest and most pathetic thing you could have done considering the circumstances.
If you can at all get past this, move on with your life and honorably take care of your children to the best of your ability...that is your responsibility, and if necessary, your responsibility alone if your 'wife' proves she is lacking in that department as well.
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 December 2010): I don't know where your beautiful, kind and loving wife go but she is not there anymore for whatever reason. As the saying goes, it takes two to make a relatioship work. And buddy your the only one wanting it so it's not going to happen.
I wouldn't worry about the sex thing, it's natural for people to want to connect with their partners when they are going through a very emotional state. I can understand how it could have happened. If it came down to it, I'm sure you can get a clinical phsycologist to support you.
Speaking of which, you will need to get counselling soon if you haven't done so already. You won't find answers there necessarily but it will help talking things through with a trained person.
Good luck. Stay strong. Your wife is not a good mother to your children so you are doing them a favour by divorcing her.
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reader, Odds +, writes (19 December 2010):
People change, and consciously choose, guilt-free, not to honor their vows or commitments. Harsh reality at work. Men and women do it for different reasons - and your situation is a classic example of the more common female one. She "doesn't have that spark," which is code for "wants you to keep providing for her and being faithful to her but wants sex from someone else." It's childish, like most reasons for cheating and ending marriages.
To put it simply, your wife was beautiful and loving when it was fun and convenient. She played grown-up until it got boring, and now is revealing the true colors of her childish self. If she had ever been a mature adult, she would have *at least* tried to solve the problem before stepping out on you.
In particular, if she's still texting the guy, she's still sleeping with him, unless you've got her under surveilance or something. In all likelihood, the affair has also been going on much longer than just since your last anniversary.
Counseling will not work. Couples counselors are basically the step people use to alleviate what little guilt they feel or dishonoring their wedding vows. Use it to buy time for the divorce preparations.
The solution now is to focus on your kids. Get them out of there, leave your wife behind, file for divorce, and get a good lawyer - be sure to shop around a bit, checking on five or six to find the best one. Family courts will destroy you unless you take proactive steps to make that impossible. In particular, you are vulnerable to a rape/abuse charge (though that would be true whether you had done anything or not). Family courts hate men. Any further advice on this issue should come from the lawyer, not me.
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reader, pinktopaz +, writes (19 December 2010):
This just happened to my family. My mother changed and left my father heartbroken after being together for 28-years. I won't go into details on here but she turned on him and makes stuff up. To her it all seemed like a game and making him suffer was her goal. My father mainly confided in me and as someone on the outside looking in (even if they are my parents) I had to tell him what to say "yes" and "no" to. He was also becoming her doormat because he still loved her and wanted his old wife back, just like you do. However, my mother wanted to basically get away with murder and he wanted to let her...but I had to tell him to not let her.
Unfortunately, you're not going to get your old wife back. Even if she did decide to work on the marriage, in the future, things wouldn't quite be the same and there will always be the thought in the back of your mind of, what if she does it again? So instead of feeling sad/bad, which is natural, you need to move onto the angry phase. You love her and want things to work, but eventually you'll start to see how wrong it is that she's treating you this way and you'll get angry. It actually makes it easier.
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reader, CaringGuy +, writes (19 December 2010):
Your beautiful kind wife doesn't sound all that kind to me.
I'll be honest, very rarely do I believe that an affair can be blamed on one person. It takes a lot for someone to go have and have an affair.
But, this time, I'm seriously looking at your wife and I don't like what I see at all. I see a woman who has said nothing, gone off with at least one married man and God knows who else. I'm 99.9% sure she's having sex with this other guy.
The worst thing is that she's just sitting there, blaming you. I'm sorry, but your wife is speaking horse shit. Perhaps there have been times where you didn't listen. But she could have come to you. Instead, she's been dropping her pants for a 22 year old married man, and has had the audacity to blame you for it all.
Buddy, I bet you're scared for your kids. I know you are. But do you want your boys to eventually find out that she's been having sex with someone who could be their brother whilst you've been sitting there taking it? No way!
Stand up for yourself. Stop taking this bull from this dreadful wife of yours. She can't blame you for the fact that she is out there having sex with another married man with a child, and she can't blame you for this whole marriage failing. She has failed you.
Ditch her, get away from her and focus on your boys who deserve the finest treatment you can give. Your wife isn't worth your time anymore.
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