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writes: Hello, I met this girl and we hit off, we became really close freinds and had a strong connection emotionally. She told me she had been sexually abused as a child by her father and had a boyfreind for 4 yrs, because i was a 23 year old virgin and never had a girlfreind before i didnt want to look like a fool and told her i had a girl freind in uni and told her i had lost my virginity at the age of 19. I never went into detail about thses lies because i really, really didnt want to lie to her. Then she revealed she was a virgin and had never had sex with her boyfreind. I really wanted to tell her and on a number of occasions i rang her with the intention of telling her but could never pluck up the courage to tlel her because i thought i might lose her. I thought girls would always be scared off if i told them i was a virgin. I am very insecure about it, in the past i have been teased alot by so called freinds and made to feel really inadaquate. I thought she would think i was emotionally imature and a loser, which now she thinks anyway. I cant believe what a fool i have been, i wish i had just told her. I thought she would think something was wrong with me. We got even closer and one night we fooled around togther ( no sex). anyway she found out in the morning about my lies and got very upset, it has been a week and she wont talk to me, i tryed to explain but she wont let me properly. I would be happy with going back to being freinds, i could live with that, she is the most precious thing to me in the world and i cant get over the fact i have hurt her, i was just scared. I never meant to hurt her like this, i think because of my inexperience i was niave to how much pain it would cause. I will never lie about anything to her again. I whad always accepted the fact that we would never have had sex ever if I could just have had her emotionally. The physical stuff doesnt bother me with her. She is honestly worth more than that to me. How can i ever make her see that. She thinks i have lied about everything, but i never lied about my feelings for her or why i liked her, im still the same person. she thinks everyman is after one thing, and now she thinks that about me. i cant sleep or eat. I realise what I have done was really wrong. Do you think in time we can recover what we had, i am willing to wait years if i have to, i have truly learnt my lesson. I had her trust and broke it, can anyone give me advice?(MOD NOTE: Posters original title)
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reader, Share Bear +, writes (21 February 2010):
Hey, sounds like things are slowly improving- it sounds far less fraught than previously- remember this is the same girl that very recently said that you had 'messed up her life' and that she 'hated' you.
I hope things work out for you, but don't let her play you. The term that she 'allowed' you to hold her does make it sound as though she is being a little precious with you. Either she wanted a hug or she didn't! -All you've ever done is try to and cover up a very personal fact about yourself which you were sensitive about sharing. Don't let her treat you as the devil incarnate, yer know!!
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reader, anonymous, writes (21 February 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionI met up with her last night.. well it was a mutual freinds birthday, we had a good time together and she came back to my room. We talked and she allowed me to hold her for a bit..
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reader, anonymous, writes (14 February 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionHey, I called her today, we talked for nearly two hours and it was almost like old times again. I didnt mention anything that had happened. It felt relaxed and almost like it use to be... she even apoligised for talking about her ex the other day and said that she had just been reminiscing about old times and that it meant nothing.. of course we are just freinds, and this time, this one lucky second chance i have of freindship I will look after and nurture, because it is truly the most precious thing to me in the world. I know what I have to do now and I wont be making the same mistakes I made the last time..from now on her feelings will come first, I know what she needs and I will gladly give it to her. She is truly somthing special and I feel I am the luckiest man alive tonight.
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reader, anonymous, writes (13 February 2010): Just relax my friend. You are so full of fear and desperation.Desperation because you love her probably and worry about her.But don't be pathetic here. Just give her her space. That is what she will be impressed by.She will come back to you, because your love is real. Be patient and strong. She will come back to you. Maybe not in a month or a year, but she will come back.Trust me.
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reader, anonymous, writes (13 February 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionI dont think I ever took advantage of her because of her circumstances. I had feelings for her before i even knew she was a virgin or anything about the sexual abuse, I liked her even though I thought she had been sexually active in a 4 year relationship with her boyfreind, this is why the lie started in the first place. I would never even have admitted my feelings for her until she asked me to share the same bed as her one night(we just cuddled). That night I told her and then I dont know, i fell for her.
I suppose I should have understood better that by lieing to her it would have caused alot of pain, I tryed to address the sexual abuse but she always accused me of thinking she was messed up. So i chose to just ignore the fact that it had happened. I dont feel that people for sould be labled because of it. I think this was wrong and it led me down the worng path.
One thing i am certain of is that I am not desperate for sex. I have had other interest from girls and It has never felt right with them.
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reader, anonymous, writes (13 February 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionShe said that she wasnt sure if she liked me or not in the first place and that this whole thing has just made her mind up. she says that I appeared too desperate after all this happened, she also thinks because i lied it has made seem desperate to have sex. She feels that I lied to her just because i wanted to gain experience and the only reason I chose her was because she was unconfident. She said thats why I picked her over anyone else. The connection is still there though, the way we can talk, the way we can get along, it is real, thats why I cant give this up, that one phonecall kinda proved all that to me.
she also said she is worried about ever meeting somone, she was reminising about her past boyfreind saying maybe she should have given him another chance(this made me angry) as they do still talk on the phone, not often but somtimes to catch up. before all this happened she told me she was completly over him, which i think was true. She told me that because this has happened it has made her thinkabout things.
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reader, anonymous, writes (12 February 2010): Be patient and don't contact her for a while. I have a feeling she will come back to you. Just wait. Trust me on this one.
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reader, anonymous, writes (12 February 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionok, we spoke for the first time yesterday, i explained everything, and she told me the reasons why she was angry.. she said things are going to be different between us but im not too sure.. honestly, i think things can be patched up as freinds. It will take time, i dont know but I feel anger towards her a bit now.. some of the stuff she said just wasnt true but i cant argue anymore..I think I need to give her time..
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reader, anonymous, writes (7 February 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionOk, well I stopped trying to make contact, during this time she asked me to send her an email explaining things.. so i sent the email, explaining everything an telliing her my feelings.. her response was not too good, she said the email stated everything that she already knew from my texting, she said if i had given her space like she had asked then she could have looked at it objectivly and with a clear head, she told me that if I had given her space it would have shown how i respected her. She said that it is very hard for her to give second chances and that once she is hurt she puts up a defensive barrier. She did however at the end add that she will try and make the most of the freindship we had, she said she will ring me somtime and try and start from somwhere, I suppose I will have to try and see the positive in this. I will not try and contact her again.. till she contacts me..
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reader, Share Bear +, writes (27 January 2010):
Okay... I think AskEve made a good point about the link to this page, and at this point, it’s not worth the risk.
Apparently she has told you that she 'accepted your explanation and apology'. Excellent. Remember that.
Okay- so her new issue is that- you cared to apologise too much! Picture this, her friend asks her why you guys broke up, she replies, 'he tried to apologise too much for something which i had already accepted, because he felt bad and wanted to make me feel better.'
What?? That's no reason to break up/ fall out with someone! -not permanently; that's ludicrous! THAT messed up her life?? If anything messed up her life and if there's anyone that she should hate; its not THAT, and its certainly not you. She’s blaming you for long term issues that have nothing to do with you. They're not your responsibility.
I can't help but feel Eyewideopen has a point- even though its evident that you love this girl very much. But you can't forgive someone and then just take it back. And you can't genuinely 'hate' someone for their apologising too much after the point. She might get away with a claim for 'mild annoyance', she CANNOT claim that this ruined her life. It DID NOT by any stretch of the imagination.
I think all you can do is leave the ball in her court. She knows where you are, let her know that you will leave the door open for her if she comes to her senses.
However, if nothing else, if she does through the relationship away over this, you will have piece of mind that this may have been likely to happen sooner or later, because this is no longer about anything you have done. Her reasoning has lost sight of any grounds for ending ANY relationship, let alone a great relationship!
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reader, AskEve +, writes (27 January 2010):
I would make one final attempt and send that letter. DON'T bring up the past, respect her wishes about that. All you need to say is that you want her to know that you loved her for who she was and getting your way with her was NEVER your intention, you will always be there for her if she ever wants to talk or try again. And still send those flowers! Good luck.
If she doesn't respond you'll need to admit to yourself you've done all that you can and move on but DO NOT continue to bombard her with emails/phone calls/texts or she will end up hating you.
~Eve~
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reader, anonymous, writes (27 January 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionsorry i meant to say it was her uncles funeral.. and i texted her to see if she was ok..
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reader, eyeswideopen +, writes (27 January 2010):
She sounds like a whack job, totally over the top about all this. I think you will find yourself very fortunate to have escaped. You may not feel that way today but I'm sure you will down the road a bit.
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reader, anonymous, writes (27 January 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionOh yeah i have already sent and an apoligy card in the post, it didnt really explain anything I juts stated how truly sorry i am and how down i feel about all this, and that i had made the biggest mistake of my life.. she has already recieved this.
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reader, anonymous, writes (27 January 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionThanks for the words of encouragement you dont know how much they mean, i feel all alone right now, I would appreciate it if you would help me further with all this. I make bad decisions because i get scared, and i sometimes need someone to just tell me to wake up. Basically I tried i asked to speak to tell her that i wanted to explain thisngs then she could have all the time in the world... she refused and said that she would just get hurt, angry and upset, aftet the first day she said she had accpeted my explanation and apology and said she would prefer to not talk about what happened, she said hopefully in time things will be forgotten and our freind ship and presume. I swish i had just taken this, but i pushed to try and explain, and told het through texts how much she meant to me and why i did it... she responded by saying i had messed up her life and that she hated me... it was her uncles (she wasnt close to him or anything, she told me it wasnt a major deal to her or anything because she had only seen him a couple of times in her life). I sent her a text hoping everything went ok, she replied back nicly if rather breif. I left it a couple of days and then tryed to explain again my actions, she was angry and told me why i have to keep bringing ti up all the time... I think i have hurt her again and showed how uncaring i am. I think i have brought up painful memorys from the past.. I should have just given more space...
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reader, AskEve +, writes (27 January 2010):
A word of warning... I don't know if she would be too happy at seeing the link to this page. The fact that you have shared with the internet that she's been sexually abused in the past by her own father might not go down too well with her and hurt her more than you know... she may see that as another abuse by you of her trust... just a thought.~Eve~
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reader, Share Bear +, writes (27 January 2010):
Aww, a letter would probably be more personal, and would achieve the same 'hard copy' advantage as her reading this page - giving her something to mull over in her own time. Let her read your words as many times as it takes to make her feel reassured.-No harm in also sending her a link to this page though, as it'll help to show how upset you are by this- so long as you don't think she'll worry about feeling you've talked semi-publically about her (albeit anonymously- but she's clearly very sensitive).I don't understand how you've hurt her twice though- just because you tried to apologise!? -I can't help but wonder if she's (somewhat self destructively) looking for excuses to end the relationship and spend her days retorting that all men are cheats and liars. Is she enjoying wallowing in this? -If this were put out to a jury, I'm sure you'd have 100% backing your deserving forgiveness for this!Give it one last shot in a letter/ email and a link to this page- and don't forget the flowers! (Good thinking AskEve!) But failing that, don't spend the rest of your days apologising for this if she's being stubborn enough to throw this all away.Good luck- you deserve this to go your way after all your efforts!
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reader, AskEve +, writes (27 January 2010):
What you have to do here is send her a letter. Explain (just as you have to us) the reason you said what you did, how you truly feel about her and how the last thing you ever wanted to do was hurt her and lose her trust. Add that you can understand how she may never want to talk to you again and that you'll always love her for HER! Attach the letter to the biggest bunch of flowers you can afford and have them delivered to her... then wait!
~Eve~
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reader, anonymous, writes (27 January 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionhey, well I tryed to explain things even though she didnt want to know and now she says i have completely runied her life and she is heartbroken, i should ahve given her more time but I was impatient and kept texting her she didnt want me to... it is all over between us... i have hurt her twice now.
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reader, Share Bear +, writes (26 January 2010):
You sound genuine, sincere and extremely caring. I agree with Faraday- send her a link for this page. Give her a chance to think it over- fair enough if she was thrown at first, but I think once she has read your concerns so eloquently posted on her, she at least owes you some understanding.
I think she would be throwing away a great relationship; one which would be awesome for her own personal development. You sound like everything she needs to make her whole and happy.
If only she could see it...
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reader, eyeswideopen +, writes (26 January 2010):
That shows her reverse thinking on this matter, everyone knows it's harder to bed a virgin than someone who's been around the track a few times. So her saying you would think she's an easy lay because she's a virgin is preposterous. She sounds like she needs some help to get herself straightened out before she can even think about starting a new relationship. Sometimes a person with too much baggage just isn't worth the effort. Anyway I'd back off if I were you.
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reader, anonymous, writes (26 January 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionI think the thing that hurt her most is the fact i lied to her. She thinks I only liked her because she was a virgin and thought she would be an easy way to get layed.
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reader, anonymous, writes (26 January 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionhey no, she never said she thought i was emotionally immature and a loser, that was misleading, she actually told me that if i had told her, she would have respected me for it. She is not a whore, please never say that about her.
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reader, Not My Name +, writes (26 January 2010):
This makes no sense!
I can understabd you lied and even why, ... but she now think you an 'immature loser?'. What for? Being a virgin like herself? Well pardon you for not being a man whore instead! Not worth shagging her if that is her attitude.
One would think she may be pleased that you are a virgin too, .but no, it supposdly hurts her feeling that you have not had sex with another. Yer right, what a load of shit! Obviously she was hoping for a man whore to be her first! Uh - huh, yep -coz that makes sense - NOT!
She does not trust men easily - YET still seems to want a man who has been around instead of one who has not played the field ????
She thinks every man is after one thing - however YOUR virginity is not ok,... and you as a virgin are somehow trying to use her???
Is she full of crap, or are you by writing this post?
2 + 2 is not adding up to 4 here. Not by a long shot!
If this is legit tho (lord help me understand the illogical stuff contained within) I dont suppose she could overlook the reasons you said you were not a virgin given that it paints a way better picture than the kind of guy she is prefering to pop her cherry and run (as sounds on the cards) when objecting to you.
Silly silly girl, ..and silly you for believeing her.
This is either bogus, ..or she needs therapy, .. or she is the one with the whoreing background!
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reader, anonymous, writes (26 January 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionyes but what happened in her past is not her fault, sometimes she is high maintenance and lets thses things get in the way, but i believe i have seen the real her. she is a very caring and honest person, and I admire and respect her greatly, i may haved lost the best thing that has ever happened in my life, and i will always kick myself for being a liar and allowing my feelings to be more important than hers, no matter what nmy insecurites are hers were ten times worse.
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reader, eyeswideopen +, writes (26 January 2010):
I still think she overreacted, she sounds like very high maintenance my man.
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reader, anonymous, writes (26 January 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionNo but I had her trust, she doesnt trust men easily, i told her i had no secrets. I promised her.. and told her she could trust me
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reader, eyeswideopen +, writes (26 January 2010):
Really wrong? I'd say you told the whitest lie I've ever heard of. I think her reaction is way over the top. If she can't get over something as tiny as this you're better off without her. Imagine how she'll react when there is really a crisis.
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reader, anonymous, writes (26 January 2010): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionSorry the title is a bit misleading, she is a virgin and I am a virgin but i told her I wasnt.
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reader, Faraday +, writes (26 January 2010):
Yes.
I made this comment to someone else recently; you have explained your position eloquently on here, now just give her the link to this page and let her read it all for herself.
I'm sure it will work.
Good luck.
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