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writes:Please tell me. How many of you men out there think it is OK for F1 boss Max Mosley to have sex with five prostitutes whilst pretending to be a Nazi? I am getting seriously depressed. So many comments from men about it in the press have been wishing they could do the same and are full of envy and congratulation. Those who say it is disgusting are called prudes. Are there any men out there who think that paying for sex with people who don’t want to have sex with you but who pretend for money is revolting? I am getting quite depressed about the way that women are becoming sex objects, threesomes, porn everywhere, little girls being sold black lacey underwear, lap dancing clubs which are grooming women into prostitution, thousands of women and children being trafficked even into the UK for the sex industry. Much of it is pressure to comply with modern day demands. I go on my computer and start searching for something in the Google box and if it looks like a sex word automatic search suggestions come up. There is porn on my tv although I didn’t ask for those channels. I get messages on my phone asking if I want to receive pictures of girls pussies.For God’s sake, if I wanted to see a bit of porn I would. I don’t expect to be drenched in it and none of it makes women seem intelligent, like leaders, equal to men or role models in any sense whatsoever.I started to get divorced a few years ago and when I came out the other side, the whole vision of relationships seems to have changed. Loving someone therefore wanting to have sex with them are somehow separated. Having sex is like getting a burger, shallow and instantly gratifying. The place that having sex has, when it is with a person you love, is diminished. I thought that sex with love nourished a person, was sustaining and validated the process of being human and being alive. Deep love and comitment seemed to come from striving and doing without some things. Now a regular sex life with someone is promoted as supposedly boring or not enough. Porn, prostitutes and lap dancing are seen as little extras, whilst the women involved get more and more damaged ( this is true if you read up on the subject). Normal women get disillusioned and worried about not measuring up. They get plastic surgery and start to compete thinking they can only be of value if they are good in bed.Please can someone ease my depression about this? Is there some subterfuge going on among big industrial players to get us all buying into this crap? Any excess just damages people. There is food, drugs, gambling, now sex. What a load of gluttons people are becoming. It isn’t just men, the wife of that bloke in New York who bought sex is standing by him. Hilary Clinton did, Ashley Cole’s wife. What good are they doing and what message is going out. I have a happy relationship, but I am so aware of this, it is as though women have gone back to minus position, worse than before women’s lib. How did this happen? Are we becoming a series of sub-species like slaves, the Jews or women who work in brothels? Which man would have that aspiration for a daughter? Yet they seem able to justify it. How?I don’t mind the thought of an odd foray into something a bit naughty but this is scary.
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reader, anonymous, writes (28 April 2008): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionInterestingly more women are becoming into porn themselves and I think it is starting to have an effect on men's egos. The increase in penis enlargements may mirror the insecurity brough through by the porn industry. There have been repeated documentaries on tv about in recent months (yet another angle of sex, which seems to be a favourite angle on tv at the moment for any kind of programme, even history).
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reader, eddie  +, writes (20 April 2008):
 There are many degrees of what is normal. I believe that when I entered into a relationship my desires were now not solely up to me. I decided by getting married that I was buying into the "we" concept. That is generally more good than bad. The problem arises when ones significant other wants to control when we have our basic urges fulfilled.
Men are more sexually driven, generally speaking. That will not change. So in answer to your question, there is a move on by the powers that be to market sex. Also, in this small world, that marketing happens very quickly. Unfortunately, money dominates. We thrive on instant gratification and for that reason there is someone there to provide us with it. We lose site of what is really important and begin to buy into the concept of entitlement and the concept that our wants are needs. It seems like we deserve to have what we want. We don't always deserve to have it but can justify it by the fact that our desires seem normal. They seem normal because marketing and media make it seem like everybody is doing it, or in other words, common behavior. Marketing is everything. Why do people buy new cars every three years? Shouldn't a car last longer than that. OF course it should but the drive to get at our money never ceases.
Prostitution is not just an assault on women. There are many levels of prostitution. Someone who is homeless, addicted to drugs etc is vulnerable. There will always be someone there to take advantage of them. I do feel sorry for them because of the bad deal life has dealt them but they have some responsibility too. Also the guy who is paying them for sex probably has his issues too. In this particular case, he may have the power. By that I mean money. But, what is it in his life that has driven him to be so needy that he's willing to risk his health and reputation by having sex with a crumbling hooker on the corner. Everybody has their demons.
Many things drive us to make our choices. One thing is for sure, when a woman is charging money for sex, she is selling something she has that a man wants. The difference is that she's selling a little part of her soul each time. Desperation will make us do strange things. Other women work as prostitutes and you'd never know it. They are high priced and very attractive. I believe they are poor souls too. It is not normal behavior and comes from some deficiency in their soul. It's not a good thing. It only looks OK because these women drive nice cars and appear to have it all. These are material things though, they're desires, not needs.
So in the end, we have needy people. Some need money and some need sex. Most people have enough sense not to let money win. Others are weak and go for the money. The ones who need sex might be at the end of their rope too. They can't get where they live so they pay someone who is willing to give it to them. I would never want to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with me. I want my partner to desire me. That is half the thrill of sex. I'm not impressed with hookers or strippers or fake women either. Unfortunately, many people buy into what the media says we need.
Finally, I've been speaking about people who are not "forced" into prostitution. I'm talking about people who choose this lifestyle. Remember, there is always another choice besides prostitution. It's called a job. It is because we have other options that I say some people who choose prostitution have to put some of the blame on themselves.
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reader, anonymous, writes (1 April 2008): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionOf course the former was by me, Clarey, not an anonymouse mouse
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reader, anonymous, writes (1 April 2008): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionThanks all. Mr Harshbutfair did not get involved actually, all I saw was the headline on the paper. I didn't read all about it.
I think it is all about where you draw the lines in this life. Another animal instinct is to kill each other sometimes, which people do in wars but not so easily in the street.
I care about hypocracy. Where would you stand for example if your partner decided to fuck (I use the same quite aggressive language) other people because she felt like a bit of variety? Most people want their partner to be exclusive. Don’t you?
Do you think we should own our houses and expect other people to keep out or just go and live in other peoples places when we felt like it? With all this emigration I expect there would be quite a few people who would like to live at your house. Or perhaps I should be able to steal from you because it is a survival instinct - the strongest survive by taking the other person's stuff?
There are plenty of instincts that are best defined in some kind of boundary, not to spoil people's fun but because it is necessary to know that when I take something it affects another.
Family stability and the welfare of children is best served by a stable marriage. Children do not thrive or do so well at school if they have troubled and chaotic homes. It is not possible to just take what you want without affecting others. Selfishness is at the heart of society now.
Most of the women involved in prostitution are damaged and unable to form stable relationships later. They don't know that is what they are setting themselves up for at the time, the knowledge comes later. They may look content, but so do people on drugs, gamblers at the table, lambs in line at the abbatoir, women in the waiting room at the abortion clinic. It all gets added up and reckoned with, I am not talking God but personal conscience.
What I wish is that people could be kinder to each other, treat each other with respect, treat them as they would want to be treated and have a bit of insight into the fact that behaviours come with a price. I am saddened by the prospect of diluting real love with this plastic version which is so easy to access and cheapens the value that women have in the hearts and minds of men and each other.
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reader, anonymous, writes (1 April 2008): I see your point 'harshbutfair'. I haven't heard of this Max Mosley scandal, but from here, it sounds pretty, well, not nice, to say the least. Don't get me wrong, I don't despise of porn or anything like that. I can understand it, but when it gets to addictions and daily and teenagers just going out and shagging everything with different genitals.. It's like, come on guys, it's not funny any more. Grow up. You know what I mean?
Again, thanks poster :]
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reader, harshbutfair +, writes (1 April 2008):
 Max Mosley is an idiot for other reasons, but the people who are "appalled" and "sickened" by the video and the story are idiots too.
Did he want his private perversions published? No. Why watch his videos or read the stories if you're going to be sickened by them? Because it's cheap thrills, that's why.
The News Of The World publishes stories like this because their readers lap it up. They like the titillation. It sells newspapers. No one wants to read that he's in love with his wife or that he's a great father (for all I know he may not be!). They want to read about bondage orgies. They want to see videos of him in Nazi outfits role-playing with hookers pretending to be in a POW camp (or something like that, not sure that the storyline made complete sense). They want to see bare bottoms being spanked and the flash of a nipple.
Sex is a biological function that we crave and desire and would go to almost any lenghts to get. It's only in relatively recent christian times that its purpose was re-framed to exist solely in a loving marriage. People want to fuck. People have perversions. Who are we to say that they're wrong or bad people for being driven by their animal instincts?
If NOTW hadn't published it you would be no wiser, you wouldn't be appalled, the hookers (who looked fairly content in the whole scenario) would be slightly less rich and Max would have (some) of his dignity intact and have saved a fortune in lawyers fees.
Seems to me that the bad guys here are NOTW for publishing about his private life and YOU for getting involved!
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reader, anonymous, writes (1 April 2008): This is verified as being by the original poster of the questionThanks for your response. I have found a website which also has info and the chance to actively campaign. It is called "Object" and they have a website, in case you wanted to take it further, get others involved or meet up with other people who feel the same. Heaven knows what is going to happen unless someone starts noticing. I do feel a bit better when I read that teenagers in the Netherlands laugh at their parents for using porn and at the whole sex industry. They have come full circle, it is definately not cool, in fact they see it as a bit pathetic. Fashions come and go so hopefully my son who is only 10 will miss the worst of it.
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reader, anonymous, writes (31 March 2008): You go girl. I know exactly how you're feeling. There's been questions on this site questioning porn, or from people (usually women) stressing because their partners are watching porn, or masturbating too much. What's happening? Porn is no longer seen as particularly naughty or for a special one off - it's now a classified addiction, like alcohol or drugs. Although I can see that my views on this seem old fashioned, I just believe that women are 'used' by men far too often.
My friend, who's just turned 16, told me on saturday she was at a pole dancing club. She actually told me this because she got to the top of the pole, bent backwards and fell off (lol) but what stuck to me is this - she's 16, only JUST turned legal for sex, yet she's already into pole dancing. Why else would she be into this, unless she wasn't planning on showing someone? Does she expect to work in this sort of club? It blows my mind. Although I'm pretty much her age, she's so young.. Anyone else shocked by this? Maybe it's just me.
But yes, it's nice to see someone else out there that agrees with me. Thanks for posting :]
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