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writes: The Lynx advert; 'Spray more, get more...' with loads of scantily clad females leaping over rocks and parts of their bodies leaping around too, in which to race towards some rather gormless looking guy with a leery grin on his face.What do you think?Soft porn?Unfair to women?Just an advert for fun?If you are female, do you wish you had a body like their's?If you are male, do you wish your girlfriend had a body like their's? (!)If you are female, are you concerned your boyfriend may get turned on by such an advert?Guess this question could also apply the other way around...Is the media getting out of control?What are your views??
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reader, anonymous, writes (31 December 2006): Reasons why I don't have cable TV and I monitor what Dvd's are in my home.
If you seriously believe that the world and its fast decay of moral standards are not for you...take action and DO something about it.
When my children see something...my sons laugh at semi naked men and women in ads on billboards which becomes lesson time.
One's body is a gift and needs to be respected, taken care of and by eating right and obstaining from harmful drugs and chemicals shows you respect your body and not being to liberal with displaying it to someone who is not your wife husband shows lack of respect for such a wonderous gift and weakens others respect for you.
I say this as I have seen it happen time and again. I remember being in junior high and overhearing what the boys said about young girls who were liberal with themselves and their bodies...ZERO respect.
I agree; the media objectifys both sexes and to me; it's not good and cannot bring about good.
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reader, anonymous, writes (31 December 2006):
The media lets not forget also airbrushes men just as much as women. Personally I don't feel its:
awful and unfair
that men are being exploited for sex
it devalues men
If I was with a women that expected me to be one of these unrealistic men then, I wouldn't be with her. I'd see her as not quite being in touch with reality; which is, after all, probably a basis to have a workable a relationship.
A lot of women, however, seem to be a lot more weaker and too desperate to please men. Is that the media's fault? No. It's the womens fault for allowing herself to be so weak and defenceless and not being able to distinguish between a mans (wrong) image of a women and for her defend her own identity.
If a man is fooled in to believing that women should be how the media portrays them then he is a fool, and any women who tries to change to become that imagine is an even bigger fool.
Another argument I would say is that sometimes media images can be a good thing. In some of the magazines I read (Men's Health) I sometimes see aspiring images, or fashion that I feel would suit me. I don't see anything wrong with that in the slightest.
Also too, people seem to think that the "media" is some external being that is corrupting society. But "what" is the media? It's a collective group made us of us as individuals. We drive the media, the media does not drive us. We sustain the media so it can give us what we desire, it is not the other way around.
If someone has a big problem with the media's representation of our sexes then they have a big problem with their own self-image. Are there any media-hating women that feel degraded that can put their hand on their heart and not say that really their problem lies in their own self image, really?
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reader, anonymous, writes (31 December 2006): I think they are hilarious, being female and all! Plus the bloke is always a gimp. Why would I be threatened by airbrushed images?
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reader, anonymous, writes (31 December 2006): Gene pool. *laffs*
Ever heard this one spoof ad about stupid people should not have sex?
It is hilarious. I'll post the "Script" in forums.
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reader, anonymous, writes (31 December 2006): Well being this is no pressing issue to your relationship; why do you care?
I'm going to have to say I do find it to be soft core porn.
I have my reasons and I was a young woman who developed early and resented pig men for not controlling themselves and objectifying me. I couldn't stand being honked at, it made me feel cheap. A real man wouldn't want to make any girl, young woman, or grown woman cheap.
I also have two young teen daughters who I have noticed grown men look over and appreciate.
How hard is it to keep a "curious" eye to a three second look and leave it the hell at that.
Such media images do promote the attitude to adopt that it is perfectly innocent, acceptable, and Human.
Let's rise above the animal instinct and be proud to stand as a Man and Woman in the true sense who does not give into lust and base desires. That whole thing about integrity I like to remind people of plays into this.
My 25 cents.
*beams smile*
Seriously, this topic can go on and on until GOD HIMSELF comes down to every person and slaps them upside the head and says...IT IS SOFT PORN.
DOINK!!
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reader, anonymous, writes (31 December 2006): There may be something in media images, but lets not get too involved in this argument.
If a guy watches a deoderant advert and it alters his ideals of what a women should be then perhaps he is profoundly gullable and the world would be a better place if he isn't given the opportunity to reproduce?
Any men who have relationships with real women know there is a difference between the media constructed image of a women and a real "in the flesh" women. Again, if they don't, they are stupid and probably best to no longer contribute to the gene pool? =)
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reader, willywombat  +, writes (31 December 2006):
 But we seem to be focusing on just the power of women's bodies to sell a product in this here discussion! Like I said before there are so many adverts which use men to sell to both genders and not always in a positive manner. Harking back personally I LURVVE the Lacoste advert with the fit bloke on the beach...oh, er, have I already told you that....dur
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reader, anonymous, writes (31 December 2006):
If you look on the Lever web site they say that 50% of the sales are driven by females. So somehow these campaigns are appealing to the female psyche too. Not sure I want to know whats going on there.
The also tout the "talkability" of the ads. Ugh.
Frankly I find them too embarassing to actually buy the product. If a fellow shopper saw them in your cart they would assume that you fell for the preposterous ad. Or if anyone saw them in your bathroom they would assume you were a tool of Austin Power proportions.
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reader, anonymous, writes (30 December 2006): sex does sell
however it causes alotof issues in relationships etc
it causes insecurity and jealousy
it would be such an easier stress free world to live in if this trash wasnt around, and that your the only sexy object your partner sees, but hay, lifes a B**ch
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 December 2006): ive always wondered are the men on telly! tv programmes, movies, ads etc living up to the same high standards women on telly do...
hmmm last time i looked there were a hell of alot more ugly guys in the media!
its like their saying even ugly/average guys should expect these gorgous girls to be available to them!
if only the standards were as high for male attractiviness maybe then theyd get how women feel!
note i didnt say their were no standards 4 male attractiviness in the media just that it was alot higher for women!!!hardly what id call fair!
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reader, anonymous, writes (19 December 2006): Those lynx adverts are so lame... their deoderant smells like crap and only teenage boys buy it. Do not go into the changing rooms after sports lessons!!! Anyway, I never understood how lynx gets away with those adverts when it clearly doesn't make women attracted to ugly guys wearing them!:-P totall false advertising I would say
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reader, TELLULAH +, writes (18 December 2006):
 Simple really is'nt it. SEX SELLS. Some may not like it, but its true.
If he had a bunch of fatish girls chasing after him in this advert (by the way im fairly round myself)who would want to buy it. We all see these images every day. I find it so hard to believe that a person compares their self to these models. Do I think they are against women, no I think the opposite. If some guy is daft enough to think by wearing this after shave that will happen to him, who is having the last laugh. Not him, he is parting with his money. Its the same as the magazines, and the debate over size 0 models. Some girls are just thin and others have to starve themselves.(Who wants to be permanantly hungry). Why cant people see, no matter what size we are, or how pretty we are, we all have something to offer. They are just images to sell products.
Its the same with the porn debate, they are selling a product. You dont have to buy it if you dont want to. You dont have to put up with a partner who looks at it, if you hate it that much.
You can always get another partner.
Personally i dont care that my partner looks at it, I dont compare myself to it, or have any wish to. Any way I'm better I am the real thing for him.
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reader, eyeswideopen  +, writes (18 December 2006):
 Sex sells...ask anybody in advertising. As long as it does you'll be seeing these kinds of ads.
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reader, anonymous, writes (18 December 2006): If I am male [laughs], I am indifferent to whether my gf has a body that look like the ones in the commercial. If she does, great. If she doesn't, then whatever.
My ex and I had a conversation awhile back on what areas of our physique would we like to improve. My answer was to gain more weight to counter my slenderness, and if I can, have thicker hair. Her answer was to have bigger breasts. My counter question to her answer, "You have nice breasts. They're small but still very squeezable. I can hold them in my hands! They're good baby."
[smiles devilishly]
They were very nice breasts, small but they made her entire body whole. Does that makes sense? [sigh]
Since I am open to discussion - hence: open communication and mediating each other's issues, etc, I have talked about this subject matter with all of my past relationships.
Would I be concerned if my girlfiend/wife was turned on by other men who look handsomely delicious? No, I would not be concerned until she does something that blatantly harms the relationship. I might be a bit jealous, but that's as far as I would go. I might try to look physically better to cater to her sexual appeals, but I won't go all out just to do that.
So what happens when my gf/wife ogles other guys? Well, firstly, they don't. For my recent ex, I gave her that much. At least she was tactful about it, and since I have a good expression-reading ability, I would always catch her and ask her, "That guy's pretty cute eh?"
[grins]
As hinted in the other thread about porn, the people in 'media' is a generalized mindframe. 'Media' don't exactly exist. If you actually went into media, or at least, work in the assorted industries pertaining to 'media', you will know that 'media' is really a scapegoat for people who are anti-porn, anti-sexual liberation, and anti-martini. 8]
In every single one of my arguments since I learned to speak Cantonese and Engrish, I have never blamed the 'media' for anything. Blaming the 'media' is like blaming everyone aside from myself. It is very incorrect and too diverse of a blame.
If people allow themselves to be influenced explicitly to commercials through electronic and printed media, to the corny Hollywood concepts of sexual expression, and the horde of superficial narrowminded sheep, then of course by pertain those references to 'media', then 'media' is solely made up of those things.
However, that is just way too vague to put that sort of description to media.
Like my brother, he has a foot and a stride in the fashion, perfume, and modelling industries. When he tells me about his experiences, as well as through my own, I cannot narrowminded blame media for anything. Like I keep on saying, it's way too broad. It's like saying all Jews are egotistical money launderers, or all Chinese are bad drivers, or all black people sell crack. It just doesn't work.
IMO, I think only those with a weak internal foundation would be influenced by such advertisements. Eg: various threads on the poster saying that she is sad and depressed that she doesn't have a perfect model body. Hell, I am far from having a refined masculine body, but I am not bothered by it. I might think from time to time on how to refine my body and how I may benefit from exercising this and that way, and what type of sports I can do better, etc, etc, but that's about it.
I would always encourage my gf to stay fit and healthy. Having a great body should be a result to her fitness and health, rather than have her try to look great for that sole purpose. Surface qualities are a nice appeal, but its what's underneath that should unify a person's mentality and substance.
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reader, jessekk69 +, writes (18 December 2006):
 i totally agree with you. i think its awful and unfair.
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reader, willywombat +, writes (18 December 2006):
It is a sales technique thats all. Nobody truely thinks using Lynx is gonna pull every Jordan-esque soft porn model for miles sround. Any more than females think the good looking bloke in the Impulse advert (similar thing here) will come charging after them if they spray themselves with a load of chemicals with silly names!!
Kate Moss and co are semi naked on adverts for womans perfume, good looking blokes are used to advertise mens afershave (have you seen that gorgeous fella on the Lacoste ad, leeping across the breakwater on the beach)....they are just images. Buy this and live this life. I collect images form the thirties, art deco stuff, and by no means is this a new phenomenon. The Victorians did it to. Nowadays things are 'sexualised' differently - 100 years ago an ankle was something shocking!!
I couldn't give a stuff if hubby watches these ads, any more than he gives a stuff that I fancy the fella in the Lacoste advert. I bet he still sits on the toilet and scratches his balls when nobody is looking. No I do not want there bodies either, sure I would like to be thinner, but I could be if I didn't like my food so much!
My insecurities are not so shallow that I worry about adverts on the TV, or porn models, or my hubby looking at stuff like that and comparing them to me. I worry about real world stuff, my job, my uni work, my marriage, my son. Life is too short to keep conmparing yourself to other people in order to find yourself wanting.
Just my opinion. Now somebody else can have a rant!
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